 page 2 kp: You have stated that the greatest battle of the future is over healthcare. If this is true, what can we do, on an individual basis to prepare ourselves for this fight in order to insure victory? db: No, I've stated that the battle for our very souls will be fought over the issue of healthcare! For the soul is the one spiritual place where we can be controlled. If they try to control our economy there will always be an underground economy or barter system. And, if they try to create a national identity, there will be open rebellion. But if they take healthcare and identify it through managed care, HMOs and the systems that we are using today to turn you into just a piece of analyzed meat, then the strain of the healthcare costs can be controlled, reduced or used to raise your taxes. Now, we get back to the chip. In the Chicago Tribune last May there was an article about the uses of chip implantation in healthcare and in the prison system. For example, a prisoner wanting to be paroled would first have to agree to chip implantation so he can be monitored and tracked. Also, all soldiers would have a chip implanted so that there would never be another MIA. kp: So, they are selling the idea by delineating only the advantages? db: Exactly, but when you look at it, healthcare is the other place. When you place the chip in healthcare, they control the one place, from the cradle to the grave, where your very existence, and fear of your mortal life can be institutionalized and controlled. Without lending avid support to the Office of Compatible and Alternative Medicines, and without actively writing every congressman and every senator urging their support of issues surrounding alternative, complementary medicine, without doing these things, we are essentially and willingly giving up our freedom of choice. So, the battle in healthcare is a battle for the control of our lives. Which means living without fear of being in the system, without fear of loss of insurance, and without fear of losing our rights and ability to make our own choices regarding the nature and quality of our individual healthcare. Kathryn, allow me to also point out that I am not against the medical establishment. I am not saying that the American Medical Association is bad, but the system is archaic and horrible. The system by which we have come to explore the spiritual nature of our mental and physical way to wellness needs to be and will be adjusted, or we will be controlled by it. I am not anti-doctors. I am not anti-managed care or HMOs, I'm not anti-anything. I do my best to maintain a really balanced perspective on this and how could I not, the medical establishment has helped to keep me alive. But I do feel that the system, not the individuals comprising that system, is wrong and is in need of serious change. kp: And what part do your centers play in the future of healthcare, Dannion? db: First, Kat, they are not my centers, they never have been. The true significance of the centers is that they are midway between the two evolutions. They use alternative means of healing, but they also use the person. Twenty-one years ago I never would have believed the things that I watch happen today as I work through the centers that are now established. Basically, the centers serve as a middle ground where a person can go through a program that allows them to be a human, physical being, but enter the spiritual realm. In so doing, they can explore whatever levels of spiritual consciousness they individually need in order to evolve. I watch people go through the exact same program yet the results are dramatically different. The experiences are diverse and exhilarating, from people who traverse the universe and become one with it, to people who leave the centers and completely change their lives and levels of consciousness, forever. I believe that in the eight steps lies a system, facilitated by our breathing in and out, which allows us to enter and touch who we really are. I know the program separates the mental, physical and spiritual allowing the ethereal body to escape. And you know, Kat, I think Las Vegas will be one of the places that a center will eventually be. That's another reason I like to come there. kp: During your first near-death experience, Dannion, you were given 117 visions of the future. Of these, I understand 95 have already come to pass, but what is yet to happen? db: Well, we are moving along a collision course with nationalistic tendencies after communism. With nationalism, people are regaining their identity as Afganistans, or Hungarians, or Bosnians and rest assured, this issue will continue to grow. When you combine the issue of nationalism with fundamental fanaticism, the result is what people may call terrorism, while some call it the work of freedom fighters and others refer to as holy warriors fighting jihads. But regardless of how you label it, what is yet to come true is our ability to change all that. The thing to watch for is Israel as the issue of Jerusalem is being settled. As I said in, Saved By the Light, Jerusalem will become a papacy: a city that will have a governing board consisting of a representative from every major religion. This board will be designed to give Israel help and support. As this comes about, and Jerusalem is the center of the world once again, the course will be set. I don't like to tell too many predictions because if I do that I am committing them to reality. I'd rather talk about the good stuff, Kat, like the evolution of science and medicines. kp: I understand and respect that, but I want to ask you just one more doom and gloom question. Dannion, do you see the often envisioned cataclysm predicted to occur around the turn of the century as an unavoidable consequence of an unconsciousness we have allowed dominion on Earth for too long? db: No! But do I see these cataclysmic series of events occurring, yes kp: So , what you're saying is, you don't see the cataclysm occurring as the result of our desacralization of the Earth through the destruction of her oceans, and the pollution of the air? db: No, absolutely not! I see it happening because this planet, in a solar system with 12 or 13 other planets, in a galaxy called the Milky Way, is also evolving in consciousness. And what's happening to Earth as it changes and shifts in consciousness, we may have contributed to somewhat, but not very much. I mean, we may have contributed to the destruction of our environment through our wastefulness, and by the way we pollute. But Kat, what we really fail to understand here is that the earth is a conscious, living entity which is growing and spiritually evolving, just like we are. And there is no doubt these events have begun to occur and will continue to manifest as a result of her need for evolvement. kp: How bad will it get, Dannion? db: Or how good will it get? I think it will get really bad geographically, and topographically but in spiritual consciousness it is going to grow in leaps and bounds. Oh, I wouldn't miss it for the world! This earth is changing as the entire universe is changing because between 2004 and 2014, more precisely between 2011 and 2012 , we will experience the return of an energy system that existed here a long time ago. You can call it a spiritually uplifting consciousness, the Second Coming, or the birth of the Aquarian Age. kp: So, Dannion, do we have to go through all of these wars as well as all of these geographical and topographical changes in order for that consciousness to return? Is this all an unavoidable part of the Second Coming? db: Well, it's a part of the effect of all things changing. See, Kat, the earth is just reacting and will continue to react to the onslaught of energetic changes occurring, just like we will. We are growing spiritually as a consciousness and as a people. We of this generation are growing very consciously, very rapidly. We are taking issue with things going on in the world around us and we are watching them very closely in our spiritual selves. I don't want terrorism, and I don't war, but those are completely different issues than the natural energetic fluctuations occurring so that the Earth itself, shifts and grows. The acts of war, terrorism, and man's inhumanity against man are all part of a subconscious nature that we are trying to correct within ourselves. It has nothing to do with the earth evolving as it chooses, being a freely existing entity within the framework of the overall evolution of the universe. How about that, sister? kp: Wow, that was a most excellent answer, Dannion. Now, answer this for me. What significant changes can we expect when this new spiritual energy manifests? db: People can expect to know, without any doubt, that they are spiritual beings. They can also expect to see that life continues to progress and that this is just a small part of the overall progression. They can expect to come into the full and complete knowledge of being divine and that part of the divinity that flows through them helps to create other worlds. They can expect to step into the understanding of the part they play in the wondrous complexity that makes this universe unfold. For without them, it would not be near as much fun nor near as perfect as it is. kp: What troubles you and pleases you most about the future as you see it? db: What troubles me the most is that I cannot single-handedly stop people from dying alone in this country, and I need help. What pleases me the most is that there are people who are helping. Because therein lies the circle of life, Kathryn. It was a wondrous day before we lost the art of dying. When a 7 or 8 year old little girl or boy took soup to Grandmother in her room as she lay sick and dying. The conversations that took place between the child and the Grandmother, in a proper perspective, gave the child a grasp of the circle of life and also gave to the person leaving this world a profound understanding of the life they had just lived. In this scenario, as they actively participated in the circle of life, the knowing that Grandmother was going to die was as natural as the fact that she had lived. And it was normal to feel sad, to know she would be missed, but still there existed an underlying acceptance that life would go on, just as naturally. As people do hospice work today, Kat, especially as they use the techniques I teach in, At Peace in the Light, they create an uplifting of consciousness that helps us to recapture the circle of life. And by putting it in place, as a part of our spiritual evolution, this world will change. kp: Dannion, November is National Hospice Month. With this in mind, tell me what initially motivated you to become involved with the hospice movement, and what does this month mean to you personally? db: Well, what moved me to become involved was a series of things. First, I became what a hospice patient is, only backwards. One day, I was a perfectly healthy 25 year old, totally filled with myself and feeling pretty cocky about my life and the way I looked at it kp: And tell me, what has changed there, Dannion? (laughter) db: Ha, ha, ha not a lot, Kathryn! But then the next thing I knew, I died. I went through the near-death experience and gained the knowledge that there is no fear in that experience. The way we leave this world is wondrous I mean it is thrilling, it's magnificent. It is infinitely orderly and wondrously designed for great and powerful and mighty spiritual warriors to return home. After this awesome adventure, I lie in a bed; six days paralyzed, seven months partially paralyzed and two years of really hard, hard times with after affects that are still with me today. So, I know firsthand what it is like to be afraid, to make the movement to the other side and come back. I know all about the anxieties that people are going to go through and I know the emotional situations they are going to find themselves in. Then I met an old man named, Peyser Bush, who was a friend of my father, who literally gave me a fix, a perspective, on all that I talk about today. So, I came to realize that I could be of the most service by helping people deal with the issue of leaving this world. Now, after almost 18 years of doing this work, I see that it is not just the 152 people I've helped to leave this world, but it is the inner dynamics that go on in those 152 families, that I have also influenced. I have seen most vividly the difference that one person can make. It is so hard for a person to struggle with the grief, and the trauma that comes about along with the guilt and the anxiety we have been institutionalized to believe in and accept as part of the bereavement process. So, there is nothing more comforting than a hospice volunteer to help this family through what can seem like the most isolating and heart wrenching experience of their life. Also as a person, helping a fellow soul to make the journey home, a hospice volunteer's kindness and love is measured in this way: if God couldn't come today and God sent you, what difference has God made. The volunteer helps with the pain, the struggle ,the loss and the love as well as the spiritual evolution of a family. And that will be the difference God made. Kathryn, that is the greatest single reward that has ever been established as payment for existing in this reality. To me, it was most marvelously composed. In my opinion, National Hospice Month is a celebration of who we all are. We are all going to lose someone we love and when you think about it, the hospice volunteer truly has a greatest opportunity, of anyone possible, to expose a spiritual being, preparing to go to the other side, to the true power and love of God. kp: You have been lecturing for years now on the near-death experience. So, Dannion, I wonder if you notice any distinct differences in the lives of those who embrace life after death as a reality compared to those who remain unsure? db: Sure! Anyone who looks at the near-death experience, and then does hospice work or sits with their own family member at the moment of transition becomes wondrously aware of the reality of a spiritual life beyond the physical. And in the process, they lose the fear of death and regain their identity as a spiritual being which helps them to see the world in a better way. Just like the panoramic life review. To me the panoramic life review affords a greater opportunity for self-change than anything that has ever existed. If everyone could just end each day with a panoramic life review, becoming every person you encountered during the day thereby feeling the direct results of your personal interactions. Then you would surely be better able to deal with all the issues going on in your life. kp: Dannion, do you find that people who surrender their fear of death tend to live life more fully? db: Kat, people who give up fear of death, give up stupidity and become sane. When you realize you don't die, which you don't, what you are giving up is a trap, an entrapment, that you have been in since conception. Then and only then, can you really start to live. I am not, by any means, professing the greatness of death, but the entire nature of our psychology is fear-based and death is one of the greatest fears that institutions, religions and government have ever placed upon us. The very moment that burden of fear is lifted from us, we begin to see life as a freedom, a wonderment, and a glorious time of change and evolvement. |
